Church Leadership Conversations

  • John MacArthur Attacks the Emergent Church For Questioning the Clarity of the Scriptures

    I listened to John MacArthur on the Emergent Church today. Masters Seminary (whose motto is "We Train Men as if Lives Depended on It!") is doing a 5 week series of critique on the Emergent Church. You can find the series of lectures to listen to here.

    The first talk was given by MacArthur who explained that the problem with the Emergent Church is that they question the perpescuity (or clarity or intelligibility) of Scripture. I think that is actually a good insight which I hadn’t considered. And yet I would put a positive spin on it: that many emergent church folks are taking a fresh look at the Scriptures to make sure the texts actually mean what we think they mean before we construct doctrines with them.

    The perpescuity of Scripture is a good solid reformed doctrine. The doctrine of the perpescuity of the Scriptures means "that the basic message of Scripture has been clearly revealed so that everyone can understand it" (Don Stewart of the Blue Letter Bible – italics mine). It does not mean that every issue is clear. The ideas is that the major tenets can be discerned by common people from the Scriptures without some other authority to interpret them. As far as I understand it was articulated by the Reformers in reaction to those who argued only priests or popes could understand Scripture.

    It is possible to use this doctrine to squelch conversation about Scripture – "It is clear and there is nothing more to say!" The Bereans were praised for checking the Scriptures to see if what their leaders were saying was actually true.

    Acts 17:11 (English Standard Version)
    11Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

    It seems to me that this is basically what the emergent conversation is all about or at least what I hope it is about. The emergent writers I’m enjoying listening to are asking these type of questions. What have we missed? What did our parents’ generation misread? How are we to behave toward our government as Christians? How are we to treat the poor? How do we structure our worship services? How do we use technology? What is preaching? How can we look at all these issues freshly from a biblical perspective?

    I agree with MacArthur that the Scriptures need to be the source and fuel and foundation for the church. I can see how the fact the talk by some of embracing those who do homosexual acts into leadership, the non-existence of hell, and ecumenical discussions with Jews could make him concerned about the movement’s biblical foundations. However, I’m hopeful that the Emergent church conversation is essentially a "back to the Bible" discussion. For example, I have been inspired by Rob Bell to look at the Bible with a deep hunger to understand its cultural context so to understand it better – (though Bell does not necessarily consider himself part of the Emergent movement).

    I agree with Brian McLaren that the Emergent Church movement is basically a "conversation." I’m simplifying here but most participating are youngish pastors in their 20’s, 30’s, and 40’s. who have been leading youth groups for 10 years and are now filling positions of local church leadership and are asking – "what will we do differently? What will we emphasize?"

    In contrast to MacArthur’s declaration that the meaning of Scripture is obvious, I appreciate the point by Richard Hays and Ellen Davis that understanding Scripture may not be so easy. Often we are greatly helped by thorough study of the cultural background of a text and its literary cues to understand its meaning. Hays and Davis write this:

    The bad news is that, like every other true art, reading scripture is a difficult thing to do well. Strangely, we do not often mention this difficulty in church, in sermons or in teaching. Our attitude seems to be that interpreting scripture is a cut-and-dried kind of thing. In most liberal churches, the issue hardly seems worth discussing. Even in more Bible-oriented churches, there is little acknowledgment of the fact that making good sense of the Bible and applying that sense wisely to our lives is hard to do. The disciplines of attentiveness to the word do not come easily to us, accustomed as we are to user-friendly interfaces and instant gratification. (It is worth noting that recognition of the difficulty of interpretation is one of the huge differences between Jews and modern Christians; Jews have always revered the reading of scripture as the greatest and most difficult of all art forms. (From Learning to Read the Bible Again – article available online).

    This does not mean we don’t read Scripture but rather we attack it with hunger to understand it. (See especially the writings by Craig Keener who is deeply passionate about the backgrounds of the New Testament). It also means listening for God’s voice as we read. Eugene Peterson’s question has been on my heart for the last few years as I read Scripture: "Am I looking for something or listening for a voice?" (See especially his book Working the Angles). What might God be saying to me through this passage? 

    MacArthur’s Concern Regarding Tom Wright and Why Emergent Folks Actually Like Tom Wright
    MacArthur is concerned that many Emergent people are reading Tom Wright and praising him. He is concerned that N.T. Wright’s view of the atonement is not orthodox. First of all, since about 1999, Michael Bird says that Wright has been much more careful about making sure to make clear that he believes the justification is about taking care of sin. Second, I don’t know of anyone who likes Wright because of his unorthodox view of the atonement! They (we) like him because he is an incredible apologist for the Resurrection. They like him because he makes the Bible come alive because of his deep immersion in the Scriptures. I first became aware of Wright in a 1999 Christianity Today article available here (sorry not free) that talked about how he had personally taped himself reading the OT in English and the NT in Greek and that he listened to these audio tapes all the time. (See my post that includes Greek audio resources here). They like him because he is passionate about ministry – seeing the poor cared for, preaching, worship, and church planting. They like him because he stood up in the Jesus Seminar and said "no" and yet is still a widely respected scholar by his peers. They like him for his insight about the 5 act play in The New Testament and the People of God – that we know the end of the story (eschatology) and the previous acts (witness of the New Testament) but we must live in such a way that our actions are fitting between the times. Hopefully, none of us are swallowing everything Wright has to say whole. For example, many scholars believe he is seeing the New Exodus in too much of the New Testament. (Listen to James Dunn and Wright discuss the issue here). But they also agree that it is the New Exodus is an underlying theme at least.

    MacArthur’s Tone vs. McLaren’s Tone
    A couple other comments about MacArthur’s lecture. I suppose if you are sure you are right and concerned that others are being led astray, you have the tone that he had. He is matter of fact and self-assured. Part of the reason for this is that he was preaching to the choir – speaking at Masters Seminary to people who have come there because they want to learn from him. But I can’t help but appreciate Brian McLaren’s tone in his lecture at Princeton Seminary. He was self-effacing about his own heritage (Brethren), delicate in his criticisms, inspiring, humble and gracious. No doubt MacArthur would say McLaren is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

    MacArthur’s Understanding of Emerging Churches
    I agree with the comments here by Andrew Jones that the books McLaren referenced did not seem to be foundational emergent church works. MacArthur says he has read Praise Habit: Finding God in Sunsets and Sushi by David Crowder (a worship leader) and Faith of My Fathers by Chris Seay (Crowder’s pastor). He also mentions a review by John Franke of McLaren’s book A Generous Orthodoxy. MacArthur makes Franke sound like a huge critic when in fact he wrote the foreword to the book and is a supporter of McLaren I believe! I think if he would have read Eddie Gibbs’s Emerging Churches, or Robert Webber’s The Younger Evangelicals, or even McLaren’s The Church on the Other Side, I think I would feel like he understood the movement a bit better.

    Who MacArthur Tears Down and Who MacArthur Loves
    Finally, what I was also interested in was MacArthur’s explicit criticisms of Rick Warren and Bill Hybels. He said we shouldn’t call seeker churches "churches" because they neglect Scripture. He also explained how he had received a distubing email from David Wells informing him that Walt Kaiser had stepped down as president of Gordon-Conwell and that they had hired a "seeker" proponent as his replacement. See Gordon Conwell’s announcement from 1/23/2006 here and more announcements about significant promotions in the evangelical world at Christianity Today’s website here. MacArthur also mentioned his opposition to Jack Rogers at Fuller Seminary in the 70’s over inerrancy and his opposition to the charismatic movement in the 80’s.

    MacArthur also talked about having a monthly conference call with some other like-minded theologians and pastors: Don Carson, Phil Ryken, John Piper, David Wells, Ligon Duncan, Albert Mohler, and Mark Dever. He also talked about being with Kent Hughes and Wayne Grudem the week before and that they had said everything that could be said about the subject at hand. It is just interesting to learn MacArthur’s circles.

  • Eugene Peterson Explains How U2’s Work is Prophetic

    Eugene Peterson, author of The Message, and one of my heroes because of his books on pastoring, says U2 has a prophetic voice. We often say that biblical prophets were more about "forthtelling" than "foretelling." Prophets are also poets and a bit rough around the edges. But they tell us what we need to hear. Below I have put some of my favorite quotes from the article. See the full article here.

    "Is U2 a prophetic voice? I rather think so. And many of my friends think so. If they do not explicitly proclaim the Kingdom, they certainly prepare the way for that proclamation in much the same way that John the Baptist prepared the way for the kerygma of Jesus…Amos crafted poems, Jeremiah wept sermons, Isaiah alternately rebuked and comforted, Ezekiel did street theater. U2 writes songs and goes on tour, singing them."

    U2 doesn’t seem to be calculated in what they are doing. It just comes out of who they are, and maybe that’s why people respond to them, because they are so unconventional in the rock music world. And then there is the social passion they have evidenced in the African world, and the effort that they go to to speak to people of influence in order to try to convince them that pain and suffering and impoverishment are the responsibility of those who are in positions of influence and power — such people are not to just make war and do public relations and win elections and develop strategies to get people to be better consumers.So I’ve used the word prophet for them. Walter Brueggemann describes prophets as uncredentialed spokesmen for God. Well, I think that fits them pretty well. They don’t have any authority in the world of faith.

    I think they started out pretty confused and were kind of just messing around. I think they must be as surprised about this — that people like me are calling them prophets — as maybe as I am. But doesn’t that happen a lot? When we’re living with any kind of authenticity, we don’t know what we are doing until, suddenly, moments come of clarification — catalytic moments — and we see suddenly this is what I am, this is what I’m doing. But in the spiritual life, calculation doesn’t work.

    I don’t have a whole lot of respect for popular culture — too much of it seems to me to be reductive, escapist, and trivial. But none of those adjectives fit Bono and U2 as far as I know.

    There’s something very refreshing about U2. It’s honest music. There’s an honesty and that’s why I think the word prophetic is accurate for them. They are not saying things that people want to hear to make them escape from their ordinary lives. They push us back into the conditions in which we have to live.

  • The Best Bible Study Tools on the Web

    Updated August 31, 2006

    Here are the Best Bible Study Tools I know about on the web. Still_life_with_bible

    English Translations:

    BibleGateway.com
    BibleGateway.com is the best Bible search site.  It has almost all of the best English translations.  You can look at five versions of a passage at a time.  Here are some of the versions I would recommend checking out.  The descriptions below in quotes are from the publishers of the Bibles. 

    • Today’s New International Version (TNIV), 2005. "The Today’s New International Version (TNIV) is a thoroughly accurate, fully trustworthy Bible text built on the rich heritage of the New International Version (NIV). In fact, this contemporary language version incorporates the continuing work of the Committee on Bible Translation (CBT), the translators of the NIV, since the NIV’s last update in 1984."  I really like this translation and would recommend you using it with the ESV.   It is well-known for being more gender-inclusive than the ESV.   
    • English Standard Version (ESV), 2001. "It seeks to be transparent to the original text,   letting the reader see as directly as possible the structure and meaning of   the original."  Very popular in conservative reformed churches. 
    • New International Version (NIV), 1984.  The most popular English translation.  It is very popular with evangelicals.  I am hoping that more and more people begin to notice some of these newer translations. 
    • New American Standard Bible (NASB), 1995.  "The NASB update continues the NASB’s tradition of literal translation of the original Greek and Hebrew without compromise."  It is hard to read but helpful if you want to get word-for-word translation. 
    • Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB), 2003. "to affirm the authority of the Scriptures as God’s inerrant word and to champion its absolutes against social or cultural agendas that would compromise its accuracy."  This is another new solid translation. 
    • New Living Translation, second edition, (NLT), 2004. "In the New Living Translation, this is accomplished by translating entire thoughts (rather than just words) into natural, everyday English."  This is another outstanding translation that has been updated since its original 1996 version.  It is more of a paraphrase but done by outstanding scholars. 
    • The Message (MSG), 2002. "There is a need in every generation to keep the language of the gospel message current, fresh, and understandable—the way it was for its very first readers. That is what The Message seeks to accomplish for contemporary readers."  This paraphrase by Eugene Peterson reminds us that the Bible didn’t originally sound holy and religious but rather earthy and fresh. 
    • Contemporary English Version (CEV), 1995. "The text is easily read by grade schoolers, second language readers, and those who prefer the more contemporized form."  These last two translations are superb resources for English as a Second Language and young readers.  Children’s Sunday school teachers must start using these two versions!
    • New International Reader’s Version (NIrV), 1998. "The NIV is easy to understand and very clear. More people read the NIV than any other English Bible. We made the NIrV even easier to read and understand. Sometimes we used shorter words. We explained words that might be hard to understand. We made the sentences shorter."  This should be the first choice for all who work with children or in ESL.

    The New Revised Standard Version (NRSV), 1989. It is typically used in Presbyterian USA churches among other places.  The NRSV is the one recent version that is not yet on Biblegateway.com but you can find it at:

    NRSV

    Commentary lists:

    Ever wondered which commentaries, you should grab off the library shelf.  Well check out the recommend lists below.   
    Gordon-Conwell Bibliography – Christian Resources
    Denver Seminary Journal – 60101 – Annotated Old Testament Bibliography
    Denver Seminary Journal – 60201 – New Testament Bibliography

    I also recommend pointing students to the list at the end of the book of:

    Fee, Gordon and Douglas Stuart. How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth. 3d ed. Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2003.

    This is a much more comprehensive resource:

    Glynn, John. Commentary and Reference Survey: A Comprehensive Guide to Biblical and Theological Resources. 9th. ed. Kregel Academic & Professional, 2003.  It was reviewed positively in RBL and JETS  A new version is coming out in March 2007. 

    Commentaries:
    BibleGateway.com Commentaries
    IVP NT Commentaries – not bad for free.  Thanks InterVarsity. 

    Classic Bible Commentaries (Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Spurgeon)

    Plea to commentary writers and publishers:

    There are so many outstanding commentaries that are written and published.  I am waiting for some publisher or author to make their commentaries available online for free. It would do a tremendous amount of good to widely circulate solid biblical commentaries.  Too many people use the ancient Matthew Henry Commentary (1811!) because it is the only thing available online for free.   Don’t commentary writers want their works to be read and used?  I realize they work like crazy on these things and want some compensation and that commentaries are the best money-makers for publishers . . . but still . . . I will say it again . . . don’t they want their works to be read and used?!  What about those of F.F. Bruce for a start?  Gordon Fee and James Dunn, will you put it in your will that all your works be published online for free when you’re gone?  Why wait? 

    Bible Software:

    For the record, I recommend one of the better Bible software packages as opposed to cobbling together free stuff from the internet. The better Bible softward packages include: Logos (what I have which is ok), Accordance (which Rikk Watts and Phil Long – Regent College professors have), BibleWorks, or Gramcord (D.A. Carson president).

    Greek
    New Testament Greek
    Greek New Testament, Read by Marilyn Phemister
    Greek-Latin New Testament Audio Readings
    http://www.zhubert.com

    Photos for Use in PowerPoint
    Holy Land Photos
    Free for use by professors and students

    BiblePlaces.com – Photos of Israel from the Pictorial Library of Bible Lands
    Sells Bible Places photos but lets students use the ones on the websites for free.

    Audio

    See also my list of the very best audio lectures and sermons on the web here.