Andy Rowell

Church Leadership Conversations

  • Ken Carder: Introduction to Christian Ministry books (Fall 2008)

    I was the preceptor (teaching assistant) for Bishop Ken Carder’s course last semester at Duke Divinity School.

    “The course provides an introduction to the theology and practice of
    Christian ministry with particular focus on ordained pastoral vocation.”

    Books for Ken Carder’s Intro to Christian Ministry

  • Two different definitions of missional: Guder and Newbigin

    Go read Brad Brisco's post: Lesslie Newbigin and the GOCN if you want to get at a more nuanced understanding of the divisions within the missional conversation at a scholarly level. 

    Brisco excerpts a few paragraphs from Trinity Western University professor Michael W. Goheen 500 page dissertation on Newbigin:
     “As the Father Has Sent Me, I Am Sending You”: J.E. Lesslie Newbigin’s Missionary Ecclesiology.

    Goheen points out differences between the work of Darrell Guder and The Gospel and Our Culture Network who produced the famous book The Missional Church and the work of Lesslie Newbigin who was a big influence on them. 

    In the comments, D.Min. student at Fuller Josh Rowley and I both remark that the work of Guder bears striking similarities to Stanley Hauerwas here at Duke (who I am taking a class with starting January 7 "HAPPINESS, THE LIFE OF VIRTUE, AND FRIENDSHIP"), and John Howard Yoder.  And that they all diverge in some ways from Newbigin. 

    At Duke Divinity School, we like all of those folks and read them.  I personally recommend them as well. 

    See also Laceye Warner (one of my advisors) and Paul Wesley Chilcote outstanding new set of schoarly readings on this topic:
    The Study of Evangelism: Exploring a Missional Practice of the Church (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2008).  They include selections from both Newbigin and Hauerwas.

    If you are interested in seeing what all the fuss is about–"what this really means on the ground"–you can look through some of the debate about the term "missional" which I have chronicled at this post.
    Following Dan Kimball's Missional vs. Megachurch conversation If you think the megachurch is terrible, then you will probably be on the side of Guder, Hauerwas and Yoder.  If you are not so sure it is that bad, you will appreciate Newbigin. 

  • The research behind my post at Out of Ur: Missional vs. Attractional: Debating the Research

    See the post I coauthored with the editors of Leadership Journal at the Out of Ur blog:

    Missional vs. Attractional: Debating the Research
    What do the numbers say? It depends who you ask.

    by Url Scaramanga & Andy Rowell

    Summary:

    In the comments of a recent post, Scot McKnight, David Fitch, Dan Kimball and Alan Hirsch argued about what the church stats say.  They called for evidence.  So in this post, I lay out some quantitative data that is relevant to the discussion.  (See my Following Dan Kimball's Missional vs. Megachurch conversation to get caught up on the chronology of the discussion).  The evidence I present is not decisive for "either side" but it sheds light on what we know and don't know.  My point is merely that we need to be careful about making broad claims about where the church is growing and declining.  I agree that we need to be reasonably informed about sociology but that our direction comes from theology. 

     

    Here are the footnotes that they edited out:

    Scott Thumma and Dave Travis, Beyond Megachurch Myths: What We Can Learn from America's Largest Churches (San Francisco: Jossey-Bass, 2007), 124-125.

    Stanley Presser and Mark Chaves, "Is Religious Service Attendance Declining?" Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion 46 (2007): 417.

    Rodney Stark, What Americans Really Believe (Waco: Baylor, 2008), 14.

    Scott Thumma and Dave Travis, Beyond Megachurch Myths: What We Can Learn from America's Largest Churches (San Francisco: Jossey-Bass, 2007), 8-9.

    Notes about interpreting David Olson's The American Church in Crisis statistics:

    As I have noted before, David Olson's research is principally based on statistics from 20 or so denominations.  It tells us something but not necessarily about all churches in the U.S.

    The quote in the article from Olson was not suggested by me but by the Leadership Journal editors.  It is from the following piece:

    Rebecca Barnes and Lindy Lowry, "The American Church in Crisis", Outreach magazine, May/June 2006.

    The claims by Olson are also made in his book:

    David T. Olson, The American Church in Crisis: Groundbreaking Research Based on a National Database of over 200,000 Churches (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2008).  

    Olson tallies together headcounts from denominations and based on that argues that the attendance number is fairly stable but the American population is growing.  First, I do not think his numbers adequately represent independent churches and smaller denominations.  Second, I know of no other researcher who depends on headcounts as Olson does with so little clarification about establishing a comprehensive methodology.  

    D. Michael Lindsay, assistant professor of sociology at Rice University, notes in response to Olson's research:

    "Counting heads to estimate weekly worship service attendance is far less reliable than estimates based on survey responses . . . For researchers to generalize head counts to the entire adult population, they must be conducted as an exhaustive consensus or a representative sample."

    D. Michael Lindsay, "Gallup's Research Remains More Reliable Than Counting Heads," Rev. Magazine (Mar/Apr 2008): 59.

    It should be said that I appreciate Olson's research for what it does tell us and I used it in my previous post "Megachurch Misinformation" at Out of Ur.  For example, one can look at the church planting statistics from 10 denominations.  These stats do not tell us about church planting in America comprehensively but give a nice snapshot. 

    Additional notes about young adults:

    I do not mean in the Out of Ur post to paint a rosy picture of American Christianity.  As Andy Crouch notes in the comments, there is no room for complacency.

    Robert Wuthnow points out that frequent church attendance among young adults is down from 31 percent in the 1970s to 25 percent more recently. 

    Wuthnow writes,

    Specifically, 6 percent of younger adults [age 21-45] in the recent period [1998, 2000, 2002 GSS] claim that they attend religious services more than once a week, compared with 7 percent in the earlier period [1972-1976], and 14 percent in the in the recent period claim they attend every week down from 19 percent previously.  At the other extreme, 20 percent say they never attend, compared with only 14 percent earlier.  How should we think about these changes?  On the one hand, it is important not to exaggerate their significance.  In many ways, younger adults at the start of the twenty-first century are like younger adults in the early 1970s.  If we count as 'regular' attenders, those who participate nearly every week or more often, only a quarter (25 percent) of younger adults can be considered regular attenders now, and fewer than a third (31 percent) were in the early 1970s.  The majority of younger adults either attend religious service rarely, or if they attend more than that, are hardly regular enough to be the core of any congregation.  On the other hand, the fact that regular attenders now characterize only 25 percent of younger adults, whereas this proportion was 31 percent in the 1970s represents a decline that cannot easily be dismissed.

    Robert Wuthnow, After the Baby Boomers: How Twenty- and Thirty-Somethings Are Shaping the Future of American Religion (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2007), 52-53.

    Conclusion:

    I love all kinds of churches.  All need to be continually evaluated by good theology. 

    As I said in my earlier post Megachurch Misinformation, 

    All of us want "more and better disciples of Jesus" (a phrase I first
    heard from Brian McLaren). In the Church of England, they are talking
    about a "mixed economy" of "fresh expressions" of church being a good
    thing–in other words different churches will reach different people. I
    am hopeful about both missional and megachurch expressions of church.

    Related:

    See also my posts:

    Weekly U.S.A. Church Attendance: The Sociologists Weigh In

    and

    Following Dan Kimball's Missional vs. Megachurch conversation

    and my posts in the Sociology category.