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Watching politics leads to moments of discouragement and the search for hope

A thread by Andy Rowell

Virginia Heffernan, PhD in English from Harvard, and TrumpCast podcast host, sincerely wonders in this thread whether those who seem to plot and scheme shamelessly, have any fear that a God might judge them someday.

Virginia Heffernan

@page88

 

Barr has said he doesn’t care about being on the right side of history. Giuliani says his tombstone will say he lied for Trump but who cares bc he’ll be dead. Does their Catholicism not have heaven/hell anymore? Do they as arrogant jerks not even care abt their legacies & obits?

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Today Trump biographer David Kay Johnston also is disturbed by the brazenness of those who call themselves Christians.

David Cay Johnston

@DavidCayJ

 

Fake Christian gets disgusting support from conman.

Where are the actual Christian pastors? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1178477539653771264 

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

Replying to @realDonaldTrump

….If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal.” Pastor Robert Jeffress, @FoxNews

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Lawyer Seth Abramson, who has given his life over to attempting to collate and uncover Trump's scheming with foreign leaders also finds himself wondering about whether there is a God who will bring judgement where it is deserved.

Seth Abramson

@SethAbramson

 

Days like this I find myself wishing as a Jew that I believed in hell https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1177343859174596608 

The Hill

@thehill

 

Lindsey Graham on Mueller report findings: I don't care about the obstruction of justice stuff http://hill.cm/uZa3hcP 

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Seth Abramson

@SethAbramson

 

Days like this I find myself wishing as a Jew that I believed in hell https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1177343859174596608 

The Hill

@thehill

 

Lindsey Graham on Mueller report findings: I don't care about the obstruction of justice stuff http://hill.cm/uZa3hcP 

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Ezra Klein in this conversation with David Brooks in May also wishes for belief in God, that it might provide stability and clarity.

Ezra Klein

@ezraklein

 

I think @NYTDavidBrooks is working towards a critique of capitalism here, even if it’s not coming out that way yet. The problems in values he identifies seem, to me, to be the inevitable effect of capitalism being the way we value people and work. https://open.spotify.com/episode/5nBcLHxbBGUf0JGWSq4w1C 

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Michael Lewis in his conversation with Ezra Klein in June worries that it may take a catastrophe or a pandemic for many to reject corruption in government.

1:36:26 (vox.com/podcasts/2019/…)

The common thread is close observers of Trump being shocked by the willful denial of the truth and the haughty dismissal of moral obligation. Then these observers, marvelling at the depths of human self-delusion, wonder what it would take before some would repent of their ways. But I take comfort that maybe …

His truth is marching on.

John Dickerson

@jdickerson

 

I don’t recommend it, but skip to min. 5. It’s beautiful and stirs the soul. https://www.instagram.com/tv/B22flHgltzX/?igshid=j1y4zm9q56zk 

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More angst

D K Trowbridge@kyletrow
 

My political theology

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And others too trying to bring hope:

Jesus Christ@JesusOfNaz316
 

Peace be with you.

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More wondering about whether there is any justice out there in the universe:

Kelly Magsamen@kellymagsamen
 

Waking up to this news in Hungary. The universe is mean. https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1178815911349964801 

Josh Lederman

@JoshNBCNews

 

Just in: Sebastian Gorka is traveling with @SecPompeo to Europe, @Abs_NBC reports. He was seen getting into a State Department van headed to Joint Base Andrews for departure

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Again, I would say a lot of these comments by observers of Trump are profound, groaning prayers for justice and that the truth would come out and that God would spare the United States and the world from greater disaster and catastrophe. More asking of big questions about humanity from the author of Traitor: The Case Against Donald J. Trump.

Again, I think this is the right reaction.

David Rothkopf

@djrothkopf

 

I'm lying in bed unable to sleep, my mind boggled by today's developments…and those of the past three years. I am not sure whether it is the scope of the criminality and abuse and corruption and lies or whether it is the number of GOP leaders who support and defend them.

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More sincere incredulity prayerfully directed:

Melissa Moore@MelissaMoore77
 

I don’t usually like to quote-tweet but dear God these days are something else. I’m sitting here trying to take in these southern baptist pastors doubling down in their support of Donald Trump & I am dizzy w/ anger. https://twitter.com/jackngraham/status/1178645825683148800 

Jack Graham

@jackngraham

 

When it’s all said and done in this current political attack from the leftists socialists,,,,,,God rules over the affairs of man and government. Who is on the Lord’s side?

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More wrestling with evil:

D.L. Mayfield@d_l_mayfield

Evil. Nothing else to say here. https://twitter.com/juliehdavis/status/1179157882937528323 

Julie Davis

@juliehdavis

 

He talked about a snake-filled trench & other painful countermeasures for his border wall. He asked if migrants could be shot in the legs. He purged aides who resisted. A look at Trump's border obsession, adapted from my book with @shearm, out next week. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/politics/trump-border-wars.html 

D.L. Mayfield@d_l_mayfield
 

How are we not depressed all the time? I would say I am 50% of the day at least, oftentimes berating myself for it. But you know what? Our world is running on evil, I am allowed to be depressed about that.

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Sept 26, 2019: Trump slashes number of refugees permitted to enter the United States

 

 

 
 

 
Matthew Soerens
 
@MatthewSoerens

 
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Denounces Proposed FY2020 Refugee Cap of 18,000

World Relief Denounces Proposed FY2020 Refugee Cap of 18,000 — World Relief
Today, the Trump administration announced its intention to set a refugee ceiling of just 18,000 for FY 2020. World Relief strongly opposes this cut to the nation’s refugee resettlement program, which…
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Samantha Power
 
@SamanthaJPower

 
This is an abomination. For our leadership in the world, for the American economy (talk to Buffalo, NY and Clarkston, GA), for our self-understanding as a nation, and for the world’s most vulnerable.
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President Trump has slashed Obama’s proposed 2017 refugee cap by more than 80% since taking office. bit.ly/2lv1Wp9
 
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Amy Sullivan
 
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I have no doubt that Stephen Miller put this draconian refugee policy in motion long ago, but announcing it just as Trump needs to shore up support re: impeachment is an…interesting move.
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Each line on the graph below represents 20,000 people who had to flee their countries, can't stay where they are, at least in safety, and whose futures have been put on hold. Defending these cuts by pointing to asylum seekers on the border most of whom will be denied ring hollow. twitter.com/dukekwondc/sta…
 
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Wendy R. Sherman
 
@wendyrsherman

 
Imagine how many of us would not be here in America if this had been the number when our parents or grandparents found refuge here… outrageous and unAmerican decision by Trump administration.
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Rich Stearns
 
@RichStearns

 
We turned away Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazis in WWII. I thought our national conscience had learned a lesson. Guess not.
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Alas. That the administration had already telegraphed plans to slam the door on refugees by slashing the # to be resettled during FY2020 by 40% to a new low of only 18,000 takes away none of the sting. Incredibly inconsistent w/ the pledged commitment to religious freedom.
 
 
 

 
Mandy Rodgers-Gates
 
@MandyRG77

 
So at what point do white evangelicals realize that the individualized charity and ministry they say are what *really* matters (vs. government policy) CAN'T ACTUALLY HAPPEN BECAUSE OF – wait for it – GOVERNMENT POLICY?!?!
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The number of persecuted Christians & other religious minorities resettled to the US has already declined drastically. It is likely to decline even further now It undermines the administration's admirable rhetoric about international religious freedom newspressnow.com/ap/national/re
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Impeachment Trump

Sept 20 and 25, 2019. On impeachment

A thread by Andy Rowell

It would take 20 of 53 Republican Senators to convict Trump of impeachment charges. 22 voted against his wrongdoing at least once (of 3 instances) in 2019. Recall Jeff Sessions was the only Republican senator who endorsed Trump in the 2016 Republican primary. They know he's bad.

Andy Rowell@AndyRowell

March 2019

"National emergency Senate vote count: Twelve Republicans joined Democrats to vote against the president's unilateral move to fund his border wall."

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22:
Lamar Alexander
Roy Blunt
John Boozman
Susan Collins
Tom Cotton
Steve Daines
Cory Gardner
Lindsey Graham
Josh Hawley
John Kennedy
Mike Lee
Martha McSally
Jerry Moran
Lisa Murkowski
Rand Paul
Rob Portman
Mitt Romney
Marco Rubio
Ben Sasse
Pat Toomey
Roger Wicker
Todd Young

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Impeachment is first a technical or legal issue.
Constitution: "The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

But there is also the political calculation whether 1/2 the House AND 2/3 of the Senate would consider voting for impeachment. This counting votes and building support and revision is similar to the interpersonal process that occurs when Congress considers any legislation. The House could vote to impeach many times and have numerous Senate trials (with the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presiding) if the Senate did not convict the first time. Technical / legal reasons for impeachment to explore:
1. Treason
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2. Bribery
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3. High Crimes and Misdemeanors
Using presidential power to impede (obstruct) investigation of himself and offering pardons as bribes.

Andy Rowell@AndyRowell

22:
Lamar Alexander
Roy Blunt
John Boozman
Susan Collins
Tom Cotton
Steve Daines
Cory Gardner
Lindsey Graham
Josh Hawley
John Kennedy
Mike Lee
Martha McSally
Jerry Moran
Lisa Murkowski
Rand Paul
Rob Portman
Mitt Romney
Marco Rubio
Ben Sasse
Pat Toomey
Roger Wicker
Todd Young

Andy Rowell@AndyRowell
 

Data point for whether there would be 20 Republican Senators who would convict to impeach for "treason," after Helsinki, @EKamarck on July 19, 2018:
"14 Republican Senators condemned Trump specifically . . . . Another 24 condemned Putin." https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2018/07/19/after-helsinki-can-trump-count-on-protection-from-the-gop-senate/ 

U.S. President Donald Trump awaits the start of a meeting with members of the U.S. Congress at the White House in Washington, July 17, 2018. REUTERS/Leah Millis - RC1C1DA39DE0

After Helsinki, can Trump count on protection from the GOP Senate?

A Republican-supported vote to convict Trump in the Senate if articles of impeachment pass the House wouldn't be out of the question in the next Congress.

brookings.edu

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Andy Rowell@AndyRowell

Investigative journalists should not have to uncover every instance of bribery and foreign emoluments, then Congress investigates, then public pressure mounts for the politician to resign.
If you don't want to be transparent about your finances, you can't serve in federal office.

Andy Rowell@AndyRowell
 

In summary, it is unconstitutional and impeachable for President Trump to not be transparent with Congress about any financial records he has that may have to do with bribery or foreign emoluments. Congress should subpoena and fight for all current and relevant past records.

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And again, impeachment is not necessarily partisan.

If a Republican president is impeached, the Republican vice-president would replace him.

Republicans could decide this is best for them as a party.

Andy Rowell@AndyRowell
 

Impeachment is not necessarily partisan. Impeach a Republican president and you get a Republican president. Impeachment is much less invasive than the Electoral College, which was supposed to prevent terrible presidents but no longer functions as designed.

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Andy Rowell@AndyRowell
 

I continue to think about how impeachment and conviction and removal of a President need not be partisan because the Vice-President who is of the same party becomes president.

Pence and sensible Republicans could have long ago made the decision that impeaching Trump was best.

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Andy Rowell@AndyRowell

22 Republican Senators who opposed Trump on big votes in 2019. With damning financial evidence, 20 might convict Trump and promote Pence to president. Maybe the momentum would shift the vote to 100-0.

But only Collins and Moran voted against Trump on all three of these issues.

Andy Rowell@AndyRowell
 

I continue to try to emphasize that conviction and impeachment of a president is not a partisan move in that a person of the same party remains president. Republicans might do this in their own self-interest.

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September 25

If you're not following the news, as of tonight, it is somewhat likely President Trump will be impeached by the House by the end of the year. Speaker Pelosi announced yesterday that articles of impeachment would be drafted. A majority of the House as of today have said they approve of the impeachment investigation. A majority of the House is needed to impeach. But that in itself is just a symbolic denunciation.

It is unlikely that 20 Republican Senators will join the 47 Democrats and Independents to convict him and remove him from office (2/3 vote needed) and elevate Vice-President Pence to the presidency. Twenty-two Republican Senators have opposed Trump on major constitutional or national security votes in 2019. Four of those (Mitt Romney, Ben Sasse, Susan Collins, and Pat Toomey) have today expressed their concern with Trump's asking for investigations into his political opponents. Eleven Republican Senators voted today against the emergency declaration at the border. But it is still very unlikely there will be 20 who would vote to remove him.

A thread by Andy Rowell

Ukraine is just one typical high crime. The habit of using presidential power to pressure people to do illegal favors for his personal benefit rather than the nation's benefit by threatening or bribing them is the common thread with Ukraine, Comey, Cohen, McGahn, and Lewandowski. Impeachment is the only way to restrain a president, who uses illegal means to become president (campaign finance law), has presidential exemption from being indicted, uses presidential power to control staff, presidential pardon to bribe, and presidential privilege to be secret.

 

Previous comments on Facebook about impeachment: 

Mar 3, 2018 ·  · Americans need to get more used to the concept of impeachment. It is not execution. It is a check and balance. The Republicans will still have a Republican president to appoint Supreme Court Justices, etc. Republicans are going to wish they did it for their reelection (and for the country and the world).

 

Jul 16, 2018 ·  · Impeach. Wake up.
 

Jul 17, 2018 ·  · It is not Republican or Democratic, it is not conservative or liberal, it is not political, and it should not be controversial to say that this is the most dishonest and incompetent president in the history of the United States.
 

Dec 10, 2018 ·  · Grandma and Grandpa, what did you do when Trump was president? Well honey, we kind of knew that he was incompetent and immoral but we were busy with work and kids (and watching Netflix and ESPN). Respectable people didn't speak up about politics back then.
 

Dec 20, 2018 ·  · I think tonight there is a majority in the House and two thirds of the Senate that think he should not be president.