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Joy Clarkson
 
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the ironic thing about having children solely for the purpose of propagating your own ideological army is that there is a high likelihood your kids will sense the utilitarian nature of your relationship to them and rebel against the purpose you've set out for them (rightly).
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Worship

Worship at the site of George Floyd’s death

I did a thread on Twitter looking into the worship at the site of George Floyd's death. 

 

First tweet of the thread: https://twitter.com/AndyRowell/status/1272620688453455874

 

Last tweet of the thread: https://twitter.com/AndyRowell/status/1273881757339627521

 

Here is the whole thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1272620688453455874.html?refreshed=yes

 

 

Here is the full updated PDF of the thread:

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Original PDF: 

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Below it is harder to read the thread but I pasted it there anyway. 

 

 

 

I deleted this comment on Instagram and Twitter because I see that Sean Feucht did not set up the stage.
Organizers:

Locals: Curtis Farrar and Alfonzo Williams of Worldwide Outreach Ministries.

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Sean Feucht@seanfeucht
 

Wild to me how white liberal Christians feel they know better than the black community on the ground what is needed for their own community.

You can’t make this stuff up! Talk about tone deaf… 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

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A little research into those involved with the worship and preaching at the site of George Floyd's death.

Curtis Farrar pastors a small church on the corner where George Floyd was killed. He witnessed the killing on May 25th.
My May 26 tweet:

Andy Rowell@AndyRowell
 

Here is an interview with Pastor Curtis Farrar who has led Worldwide Outreach For Christ for 30 years which is on the corner where this happened. He witnessed the incident. https://twitter.com/ChaoStrib/status/1265350731382640641 …

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Chao Xiong@ChaoStrib
 

Here is the full 14-minute interview w/Pastor Curtis Farrar about the deth of #GeorgeFloyd https://photos.app.goo.gl/SEywqghmgPSkrzzdA …

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Alfonzo Williams "is a member of the Worldwide Outreach for Christ, a nearby church where he works security and helps organize events for the small congregation . . . Now he is part host, part traffic cop at the sprawling makeshift memorial for Floyd."

Charles Karuku, who is pastor of International Outreach Church in Burnsville (14 miles away), has been going to the site since May 31st and called it "Unity Rally Minneapolis."

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Joshua Lindquist has since June 3rd been working with outreach based at CityView Church in Minneapolis.

BennyK had been doing DJ work in the street since May 28th. He was looking for a stage on June 5th because YWAM Circuit Riders (outside speakers) were

Danny Bryan of Circuit Riders (that is affiliated with Youth With a Mission) of Huntington Beach, California says he was given permission to hold rallies by Curtis Farrar.
instagram.com/p/CBOvAQblvkV/…,

June 6-7 outside preachers:
Joel Bomberger (Huntington Beach, California

Christophe Ulysse (Brantford, Ontario, Canada) says they built the stage.

Jonathan Tremaine Thomas (St. Louis, Missiouri)

Joshua Giles has his ministry office in St. Louis Park about 8 miles from the site of George Floyd's death. He preached at the site on June 12th and did the two baptisms on June 13th in the videos of Sean Feucht.

Meanwhile, leading local pastors in the Twin Cities have been involved in grieving, marches, clean up, countering looting and arson, talking with political leaders, attending memorial services, organizing food drives, and leading worship services.
Sean Feucht of Bethel Music in Redding, California led worship there on Saturday night, June 13th.
Instagram:
instagram.com/p/CBZc52pJ0uE/, instagram.com/p/CBZkLqvg0I4/, instagram.com/p/CBa5RxhAjlh/
Facebook video:

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Any group who sets up near the site of George Floyd's death should consider whether they are disturbing other people gathering to mourn or reflect or learn. A microphone and music with big speakers right at the site is very questionable.
One of the lessons from the death of George Floyd is that outsiders need to be sensitive to local neighborhood issues. Outsiders need to listen, not preach. White people generally need to follow the lead of people of color and others with long-earned relevant knowledge.
As someone who ran in a Republican primary in March for Congress in Redding, California, and was photographed touching Donald Trump's sleeve at the White House in December, Sean Feucht brings baggage to being a messenger of reconciliation in Minneapolis.

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Andy Rowell@AndyRowell
 

Here is a list of the worship leaders who met with President Trump at the White House on Friday, December 6, 2019. https://www.andyrowell.net/andy_rowell/2019/12/list-of-worship-leaders-gathering-at-the-white-house-on-friday-dec-6-2019.html …

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Sean Feucht says the Saturday evening time of leading worship was among the most powerful revivals he has ever seen in the United States.
His statement:
instagram.com/p/CBZkLqvg0I4/,
Compare video: instagram.com/p/CBa5RxhAjlh/
and other description:

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Worship is both expressive and formative. In this case, worship should help people express their agony and anger. And form people, prepare people, to act for justice.
See:

Esau McCaulley Ph.D@esaumccaulley
 

This was not easy to write. I tried to speak as honestly as I could in @nytimes about Black Anger and a theology of hope.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/opinion/george-floyd-psalms-bible.html …

Protestors outside of a burning fast food restaurant, on May 29, in Minneapolis.

Opinion | What the Bible Has to Say About Black Anger

The Psalms are not silent about the rage of the oppressed.

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, and worship resources at:

Calvin Institute of Christian Worship@cicw
 

We lament and grieve the indefensible and tragic deaths of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery even as we continue to lament and grieve the indefensible and tragic deaths of Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Sandra Blanc, Eric Garner, Rekia Boyd…. https://worship.calvin.edu/resources/resource-library/anti-racism-in-the-renewing-of-christian-worship-2020 …

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Prayer for people is very appropriate and good but it would be best if people wore masks to prevent infection. There are numerous signs at the site urging people to wear masks for the safety of everyone.

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Replying to @emmalouiseri
 

Another layer. Their prayer tram was not wearing masks, getting really close to people,.and touching them without their permission.

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Evangelism involves Christians acting in such a way that they are worthy of trust. This almost always involves sincere listening to people about their wounds and pain and pledging support to help them. This is demonstrating to people what Jesus was like.
The Christian eventually explains why they act the way they do. But preaching or playing Christian songs tends to repel people rather than attracting them if the person has not been seriously listened to.
Baptism is indeed celebratory. It is part of someone's journey from the grip of self-destructive sin to a new start with God. Typically this is done with others who will assist and encourage the person with their journey.
 
 
These two images do tell a different story:

Good overview here:

More discussion in this thread of the video of Sean Feucht and Charles Karuku. Recall that Karuku is a pastor in Burnsville, a suburb. He is selling his book on Facebook amid videos of himself. Feucht is a worship leader from Redding, California.

The thread above tries to trace how Sean Feucht was in Minneapolis at the site of George Floyd's death about 19 days later.
(1) The local black pastor gave
(2) YWAM preachers from California the okay to come preach,
(3) a suburban pastor made a page on Facebook,
(4) Sean.
Jake Dockter has also been trying to figure out what Sean Feucht was doing in Minneapolis.

RJ was trying to help Sean Feucht and I interact on Instagram but I deleted my initial reply to him because I learned the "stage" had been set up June 6th (not the 13th). Meanwhile he had screenshotted my reply and tweeted it angrily. 🤷‍♂️
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Having listened to Sean Feauct reflect on what he was trying to do, it sounds like he sees himself as a worship catalyst and therefore he should rush like a firefighter to world problems. And he says he has done so. I wonder if there is a theological misunderstanding there.
Jesus was late sometimes so missed his chance to heal people so he had to do it later or from afar. He played down the importance of special worship sites. He usually avoided crowds and the spotlight. Is that applicable?
Is worship music what is needed in a global crisis? Partially. But when hurrying from place to place one can make cultural errors because one does not know the context, making the crisis worse.
Or one can be used by the players involved so as to appear partisan, making it worse.
Billy Graham, Martin Luther King Jr., and all U.S. Presidents all considered carefully the message their presence would send. And whether it would distract and make things worse.
There is certainly a place for crisis response teams in earthquakes and for news media to hurry to get on the scene. But they have a very limited, modest, practical purpose.
The other thing Sean Feucht seems to believe in is hyping, marketing, selling "revival" worship gatherings so that people know about them. He is trying to publicize these good things. The challenge is to avoid the embellishing and exaggerating, which misleads the trusting person.
I think he sincerely thinks that if he can be somewhere and play worship songs there, the Spirit of God will be unleashed from its local chains to bring healing to people. But I think that puts too much pressure on Sean Feucht and underestimates God.
As a little more information trickles out, I will add it below.
For example, Josh Giles (St. Louis Park, MN) who spoke last night with Sean Feucht on Instagram, (and was preacher on June 12-13 and Sean was there June 13), run in similar circles.

Unity Rally / Revival Minneapolis Facebook page is run by Charles Karuku of Burnsville, MN.

Curtis Farrar of Worldwide Outreach for Christ is the church at the site.

They are both Pentecostal churches and led by people of color.

Wow. I just found out that Sean Feucht took a screen shot of a deleted Instagram reply by me while we were replying back and forth there and posted it on Facebook (as well as Twitter).

The three images from Instagram below.

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Law enforcement Minneapolis

Saturday May 30th, 2020 Law enforcement violence on media in Minneapolis

I started a thread that night and just kept adding to it as Minnesota law enforcement enforced a curfew forcefully including targeting media. 

 

First tweet: 

https://twitter.com/AndyRowell/status/1266929335597965312

Last tweet: 

https://twitter.com/AndyRowell/status/1271098156651077632

 

Thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1271098156651077632.html

 

PDF of thread: 

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So the story tonight in Minneapolis, (perhaps because I follow many journalists) is media getting shot with rubber bullets, gassed, and arrested as they get between protesters and police.
(Many media were terrified of the mayhem without police presence the last two nights).
Law enforcement seem to not understand protocol around ignoring media. Media seem to be confident that they can go wherever they want because of their press credentials. I think there is legitimate confusion going on here on both sides.
Last night (Friday night), media feeling unsettled because of the chaos. And this does not include all of the videos of cars going fast through crowds and fires.

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And this is the most terrible story, of a photographer being blinded in one eye. Horrible.

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Corrections Commissioner Paul Schnell, who is briefing on behalf of the Minnesota Department of Public Safety says:

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What is the proper way for journalists and law enforcement to work together?

Star Tribune car shot at by police with rubber bullets:

WCCO photographer freed:

The media from elsewhere should have been in Minneapolis Tuesday, Wednesday, or especially Thursday and Friday, if they wanted to document mayhem. But they are welcome to browse my twitter feed from those nights.

A new report from tonight. It is his first night here.

Michael Anthony Adams – Vice News

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Oh no! This sucks.
Ryan Faircloth is a Minneapolis Star Tribune reporter:

Ryan Faircloth seems okay and is filmed here by Maggie Koerth who also got threatened by police earlier in the thread:

St. Paul too.

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She survived a lot of chaos the last two nights and now this.

It is hard to remember back to 6:20 pm (and now it is 12:45 am) but back then law enforcement and much of the city was afraid.

And law enforcement felt for the first time since Monday that they had a groundswell of support to protect neighborhoods.

Also, on Friday morning, it was clear that Governor Walz and Minnesota National Guard's Jensen felt that the law enforcement response was totally disorganized and inadequate. But they too failed Friday night. Tonight (Saturday) night was the first glimpse of coordination.
I agree that there are far too many incidents described above of law enforcement treating the press carelessly (despite some media sometimes clumsily getting in the middle of operations). Bad training, and yes, likely some of them thinking "media are the enemy of the people."
Still happening here after midnight to Star Tribune reporter:

From earlier in the evening:

Ryan Raiche – KSTP ABC

I did not mention the arrest of Omar Jimenez at 5:10 am on Friday morning while live on CNN by Minnesota State Patrol. He was released soon after.

Governor Tim Walz, by 6:38 am, repeatedly profusely apologized to all journalists.

Here is the long version of what happened to Molly Hennessy-Fiske LA Times and other journalists she was with. Horrible.

Julio-Cesar Chavez and Rodney Seward from Reuters.
(I think they were next to Molly Hennessy-Fiske and Carolyn Cole of the LA Times).

Susan Ormiston – CBC (Canada) hit by a rubber bullet in the shoulder and tear gas canister in the back.

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Andrew Buncombe – The Independent (UK)

Way back on Thursday

Tyler Davis – USA TODAY
was pepper sprayed.

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Tim Arvier – 9 News (Australia)

Simon Moya-Smith – NBC News Think

Wrap up post from @toreyvanoot

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Live press conference where questions will ask about media and violence.
Just want to add that as resident of Minneapolis and believer in the importance of truth, I am very disturbed by the treatment of the media this week by law enforcement. Video evidence uncovered the truth. Thank you, reporters.

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This should not have happened to Ed Ou and the journalists with him in Minneapolis. Horrible. He had to ask for help repeatedly with blood streaming down his face (Bloody photo:

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Ed Ou, Mike Shum, Molly Hennessy-Fiske, Ryan Raiche, Carolyn Cole, Julio-César Chávez, Rodney Seward were all together.
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@MnDPS_MSP failed here.

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