Category: Pastor’s Life

8 pieces of advice for a new pastor

Post author By Andy Rowell
Post date June 9, 2008
3 Comments on 8 pieces of advice for a new pastor

A friend asked for advice in his first month as a pastor. He writes,

So tomorrow I begin and lead my first staff meeting and begin my first
week of being a pastor. What are the things you all think I should make
sure I do.

Here is my take:

1. Study the Scripture text you are
going to preach on. Read 2 commentaries on the passage. If you and the
commentators agree, you are on the right track. Preach it! Get this reference to help you find some good commentaries: Commentary and Reference Survey: A Comprehensive Guide to Biblical and Theological Resources

by John Glynn

(Paperback – Feb 15, 2007)

2. Take walks just for the purpose of praying.

3. Learn everyone’s name (first and last name) including the kids and janitor. Make your own photo directory or flash cards if you need to.

4.
Schedule as many meals and coffees with people as possible. Go to their workplaces and pick them up and
take them to a place nearby that they often go when they go out to
lunch. These meetings should be 45 minutes
to 1 hour 1/2–no longer. Pay and turn in the receipts to the church. But only order very
basic (as opposed to extravagant) things at the restaurants–equivalent to the price of a burger
and soda. No dessert or alcohol on the church’s bill. I’m tempted to
say on this one, “It is better to ask forgiveness than permission” because I think you should do it even if the church does not typically pay for these sort of things. You will not get fired for meeting with lots of people. It
is difficult to do it if you don’t meet at restaurants and coffee shops
in this day and age. People don’t have time to go to your house and
people often don’t host people in their homes often. Every day meet
with someone. Please! This is crucial. There is a book called:
Never Eat Alone: And Other Secrets to Success, One Relationship at a Time by Keith Ferrazzi (Author), Tahl Raz (Author) It is a good motto.

Questions to ask when you meet with people:
a. Where did you grow up? Where are all the places you’ve lived?
b.
What is your job? Can you tell me enough about it so I really understand what
you do? Is it terrible or great or just so-so? Why? How is your
relationship with your boss?
c. What is your church background? Why did you come to our church?
d.
Should I just lift up these things we have already talked about to the
Lord or is there something else I can pray about as well? (In other
words, you will know enough already to be able to pray for them). Do a
quick prayer for them.

People will be surprised at how
pleasant and interesting and good it is to meet the pastor and you will
be relieved not to get into all the church politics until you get to
know people. This person is more important than their complaint about
the church. When you get to know people, you will understand where they are
coming from. The person who is passionate about missions grew up in
Africa. The person who is passionate about pastoral care, works in a
nursing home. They are passionate for legitimate reasons!

As you can see from my questions, I would urge
you to have low expectations for those first 1on1 meetings. The point
is to get to know people. You will get close to some of them eventually.
You will need to have difficult conversations with some of them
eventually. But at this point, just enjoy people and get to know the
basics. This is critically important to eventually ministering deeply
to them.

Pastoring is 1/3 preaching (study, prep, reading),
1/3 administration (meetings, email, phone calls, mail, chaos), and 1/3
pastoral care (meeting with people). But you will have to initiate and
be intentional to meet with anyone. Very few will reach out to you.

5.
Read books by pastors for some sympathy. Read Eugene Peterson’s books The Contemplative Pastor and Under the Unpredictable Plant. Just read the stories if you get bogged down. Ditto
– David Hansen’s The Art of Pastoring. I would also recommend the
Mitford books (fiction) by Jan Karon to get a sense of warm personal
pastoral ministry practiced by Pastor Tim.

6. Eventually, read some leadership books to help you analyze the organization. “Pastors overestimate what they can accomplish in one year and
underestimate what they can accomplish in five years.” Sandy Millar,
former Vicar at Holy Trinity Brompton, London, England. Next year, when
you get madly frustrated by the disfunction of the organization of the
church, you can read leadership books like Five Disfunctions of a Team
by Patrick Lencioni and his book Death by Meeting; Good to Great by
Jim Collins; Primal Leadership by Daniel Goleman; First, Break all the
Rules by Marcus Buckingham; Seven Practices of Effective Ministry by
Andy Stanley; Simple Church by Thom Rainer and The Effective Executive:
The Definitive Guide to Getting the Right Things Done by Peter Drucker.
In addition to these books, the article (available online for free) entitled “How to Minister Effectively in Family, Pastoral, Program, and Corporate Sized Churches” by
Roy M. Oswald, former Senior Consultant, Alban Institute, was helpful for me. At a minimum, these books will help you realize that disfunction in
churches and other organizations is the norm but that there are some
things you can do to start positive movement in the right direction. Will Willimon reports in his post, “Non-synoptic church leadership in church” that he was given the following advice as a young pastor which he now shares with others,

“I
am sure someone has told you that you shouldn’t change anything when
you go to a new church for at least a year,” he said to me. Indeed,
someone had told me just that. “Well, forget it! Don’t change anything
in a new church unless you become convinced that it needs changing! Change anything you think that needs changing and anything you think
you can change without the laity killing you. Lots of churches are
filled with laity who are languishing there, desperate for a pastor to
go ahead and change something for the better. Lots of times we pastors
blame our cowardice, or our lack of vision, on the laity, saying that
we want to change something, but we can’t because of the laity. We
ought to just go ahead and change something and then see what the
consequences are.”

7. Get 8 hours
of sleep. Get
to bed the same time every night and get up the same time. You will thus have more resources of patience to keep your
cool as you encounter all kinds of craziness, disfunction, and beauty.
The sleep will help you from getting too discouraged. Expect the
organization to be terrible! Expect the people to be great . . . once
you get to know them.

8. Learn the history of the church. You need to be able to tell the old, old stories as well as anyone.

Job Search Pastor's Life

How to meet with your supervisor

Post author By Andy Rowell
Post date March 20, 2008
3 Comments on How to meet with your supervisor

The problem: You work at a church but you do not meet regularly with your supervisor or your meetings with your supervisor are ineffective.

A study has shown that liking one's supervisor is the number one factor related to job satisfaction. You can put up with a lot if you like your immediate supervisor. Here is the summary quote from the book:

"The talented employee may join a company because of its charismatic
leaders, its generous benefits, and its world class training programs, but
how long that employee stays and how productive they are while they are
there is determined by their relationship with their immediate
supervisor" (Marcus Buckingham and Curt Coffman, First Break All the Rules: What the World's Greatest Managers Do Differently. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1999, pp. 11-12).

If your satisfaction and fruitfulness depend largely on your relationship with your supervisor, it is pretty important that you have good meetings with them.

Below I have listed two main points about meeting with your supervisor.

1. Ask to meet with your supervisor for 1 hour once every two weeks or 1/2 hour once per week. The "open door policy" (My door is always open) isn't concrete enough and either wastes too much time or doesn't provide enough meaningful interaction. Conscientious followers often don't want to waste the supervisor's time so they wait to ask questions until a problem has grown into a full-blown mess. Instead set up a time to meet regularly.

Jim Collins writes,

"If you have the right people on the bus, the problem of how to
motivate and manage people largely goes away. The right people don't
need to be tightly managed or fired up; they will be self-motivated by
the inner drive to produce the best results and to be part of creating
something great" (Jim Collins, Good to Great. New York: HarperCollins, 2001, p. 42).

As a good follower / employee / church leader, you do not need help on every single task, but you do need to be pointed in the right direction. If you are working 40-50 hours per week, having a 1/2 hour of direction is not too much to ask and makes a lot of sense.

2. Have a numbered agenda of 5-10 questions that you wish to raise with your supervisor. Provide the supervisor with a copy when you begin the meeting. These items should include things you feel the supervisor should know, questions you have related to current projects you are working on, and hopefully something you can affirm your supervisor about. Save most of your questions for that meeting rather than sending your supervisor a million emails throughout the week. My supervisor would acknowledge each question and reflect more deeply on the questions he felt were most important or he was able to answer.

The list of questions emphasizes that you are prepared and that you value the person's time. It also gives them an idea of the issues that are on your mind. They need not all be strategic, task-oriented issues. You can also ask the person questions that are not urgent but are important. Here's a sample one I remember asking a mentor: "what do you do when you hear that someone from the congregation has died – can you walk me through that?"

Perry Noble, pastor of NewSpring Church, has an excellent post today entitled:My Five Rules For Meeting With A Mentor. My comments above particularly resonate with this quote from Perry's post:

I remember John Maxwell saying to me once, “I will mentor you, but you
have to ask the questions. I am not preparing a lesson for you…YOU
guide this meeting. If you want to know something–ASK. If you don’t ask
anything then we don’t really have anything to talk about.”

Conclusion:

David Swanson notes the importance of meeting with mentors for your own productivity and satisfaction.

"Those of us who itch for change are faced with the fact that, in most
cases, it is the senior leadership’s prerogative to initiate those
changes. This can be a frustrating reality for a young leader. Our
options are to give up on large-scale change, disconnect from the
church to attempt our own new thing, or drink a lot of coffee. Tea
works too.

A couple of years into my time as an associate pastor I began
scheduling regular breakfasts, afternoon coffee breaks, and evening
conversations with some of our church’s Boomer leaders. These
conversations were agenda-free. It was a chance to talk about past
experiences, current challenges, and future possibilities for our
church. The only measure of success was that coffee was consumed and
good conversation was had.

Over time, as relationships developed, it became apparent that my
ministry ideas were being met with more acceptance. Some of my new
ideas even became conversation topics among our older leaders. It was
deeply satisfying to participate in a strategic vision for the church
that had begun as a conversation over coffee. Don’t underestimate the
importance of investing in relationships" (Leadership Journal's blog Out of Ur Disarming the Boomers (Part 2) from January 17, 2008).

As the book title Never Eat Alone implies, relationships are key for getting things done both in the business world and in the church.

Examples

I have listed a couple of examples below of agendas I made before meeting with mentors and supervisors.

Example 1: Agenda for meeting with a senior pastor of a neighboring church that I had never met in 2004. I had scheduled the meeting to learn from him.

Where are you from? When did you start pastoring? What did you do before that?
What do you feel is going well at _________ Church?
What are the challenges?
Since we share the same neighborhood, what are the neighborhood issues for you all like parking, etc.?
How has your seminary experience prepared you for ministry?
Why the “team leader” title?
What “direction” is your church moving in?

Example 2: Here is another example of a weekly meeting from 2002 with my supervisor (which I handed him a copy of)

How are you?
Additional agenda items?
I am beginning Family Camp planning for next year this week. Do you have any advice?
I received an email from D.T. about his concern about incorporating new people into worship teams. Comments?
We are furthering Ensemble Leaders Song Selection Criteria. Is that proceeding well in your opinion?
Family Carol Service. We are ordering from a script to adapt (19.99-24.99 US) Group Publishing. Just wanted you to know.
We have received two estimates on IT service maintenance.
I am thankful to G.R. for his major assistance these last few weeks.
I tried a new strategy last week for announcements and it seemed to go well. Input?
J.S. is no longer attending our church. He is attending ________ Church.
Prayer item: I need ________.
K.V. will be back visiting January 22.