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Oct 4 and 12: Trump says the biggest evangelical pastors tell him ‘we have never seen our religion or any religion so electrified’

 

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Transcript “I got a call the other night from pastors, the biggest pastors, evangelical Christians. They said, 'we have never seen our religion or any religion so electrified.' They say they’ve never seen anything like it. Churches are joining … hundreds of thousands of people."

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"And that's largely because of you [the media] and your partners, the Democrats.”

 

 

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Thomas S. Kidd
 
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This is revolting. And, he's been taught to talk this way by the Republican evangelical insiders.
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Trump says his fight with the Democrats and Media has led to a Christian revival bigger than any in history.
 
 
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"Not a word from their mouth can be trusted; their heart is filled with malice. Their throat is an open grave; with their tongues they tell lies. Declare them guilty, O God! Let their intrigues be their downfall."
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Trump says his fight with the Democrats and Media has led to a Christian revival bigger than any in history.
 
 
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Michael Wear
 
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"But let all who take refuge in you be glad; let them ever sing for joy. Spread your protection over them, that those who love your name may rejoice in you."
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Trump is likely drawing on the words of Robert Jeffress (and Jerry Falwell Jr. and Franklin Graham who are not pastors) that the evangelical base is united behind him to falsely claim hundreds of thousands "are joining": a. churches or b. his base. It is unclear which.
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Nope and nope.
– Probably Robert Jeffress just told Trump about the applause at the National Quartet Convention in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee on Sept 26, 2019.
– In the Oct 9 Fox News poll, 28% of white evangelicals say they want Trump impeached and removed.

Aaron Rupar

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JUDGE JEANINE: "What do you know about those 2 men who have been arrested who allegedly worked with Rudy Giuliani? They say they had dinner with you at the White House."

TRUMP: "Well I don't know who they are. I mean, I guess maybe I met them, or maybe I took pictures with them"

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Aaron Rupar

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Trump tells Judge Jeanine that "people are joining the church" because "everybody knows the Russian witch hunt was a phony fraud."

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October 7-12, 2019. Trump’s betrayal of the Kurds in Syria and Minneapolis rally

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Aaron Rupar
 
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Lindsey Graham calls in to Fox & Friends & calls Trump's decision to abandon the Kurds "impulsive." "I hope I'm making myself clear how shortsighted & irresponsible this decision is in my view," he says. "This to me is just unnerving to its core."
 
 
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Scott Stedman
 
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There are approximately 2,000,000 Syrian Kurds.
 
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Walter Shaub
 
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“ 'I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul,' Trump said last year. 'It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers—two towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it’s two.' ”
Donald Trump’s Huge Conflict of Interest in Turkey
A businessman who allegedly helped the Iranians duck U.S. sanctions used to operate in one of the Istanbul towers bearing the name of the next American president.
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Nikki Haley
 
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We must always have the backs of our allies, if we expect them to have our back. The Kurds were instrumental in our successful fight against ISIS in Syria. Leaving them to die is a big mistake. #TurkeyIsNotOurFriend
 
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Richard Engel
 
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The Syrian Kurds are being abandoned after they fought, and lost 10k men and women, to battle ISIS for the world. Now, they could be- and many expect will be- wiped out in a campaign of ethnic violence/displacement.
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BREAKING: In an extraordinary Sunday night statement, the White House announces that the US "will no longer be in the immediate area" of Northern Syria, allow Turkey to launch an invasion in the region and give Turkey responsibility for captured ISIS fighters in the area.
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Earlier this summer, Syrian Christians begged U.S. forces to stay, writing "Turkey aims to kill and destroy us and to finish the genocide against our people. [There] are still more than 100,000 Syriac Christians living in NE Syria and they will be killed …if Turkey invades."
 
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Andy Rowell
 
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Republican stars Marco Rubio, Lindsay Graham, Nikki Haley, and Brett Baier are all concerned about the betrayal of the Kurds in Syria by Trump this morning. mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status mobile.twitter.com/jdawsey1/statu mobile.twitter.com/NikkiHaley/sta
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This thread is quite something from the former head of administration efforts against ISIS. twitter.com/brett_mcgurk/s…
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bandy X Lee, MD, MDiv
 
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This “tweet” is a clear demonstration of the grotesque delusions of grandeur we predicted he would fall into as a defense against the growing pressures of reality. His destructiveness is already being unleashed: against the Kurds now, but we are bound to discover many more….
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As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over…
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Am I the only psychologist who finds this claim and this threat truly alarming? Wouldn’t these normally trigger a mental health hold? Right and Left must set aside politics and agree that there is a serious problem here. twitter.com/realDonaldTrum…
 
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George F. Will
 
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In 13 months, all congressional Republicans who have not defended Congress by exercising “the constitutional rights of the place” should be defeated.
Opinion | The spiraling president adds self-impeachment to his repertoire
Trump must not get away with his refusal to supply witnesses and documents to the House.
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A summary for those not paying attention: There is a pattern by Trump of odd foreign policy in Syria, Ukraine, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and refugee limits that runs contrary to what experts on the right and left think is sound policy. No one is defending any of these things. Sometimes we suspect strongly that Trump is operating out of self-interest. Those he is helping seem to be funneling money or election assistance to him. Other times, it seems he is operating impulsively. But there is bipartisan opposition to all of it. Yet, he continues. Syria: betraying Kurd allies who fought ISIS to be killed by Turkey's dictator
Ukraine: withholding military assistance for favors
China: not defending Hong Kong for favors, also trade war
Russia: deference to Putin
Saudi Arabia: enabling war in Yemen
Asylum: reducing refugees

 
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Evan McMullin
 
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“I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul. It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers—two towers, instead of one, not the usual one; it’s two…They have a strong leader.” -Donald Trump, 2015
 
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David Ignatius
 
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…I'm also told that Turkish attack appears coordinated with the Russians. Russian-backed forces are mobilizing to invade the Kurdish area from the south — towards Tabqa and other spots. Meanwhile, ISIS is mobilizing sleeper cells in Raqqa and attacks have taken place tonight.
 
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David Ignatius
 
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A bad situation in Northeast Syria is about to get much worse. Sources tell me that US officials have just informed the Syrian Kurds that Turkey is likely to attack on air and ground in next 24 hours. The US will do nothing. Targets are Tal Abyad and Ras al Ayn….
 
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Senator Graham, Thank you for your angry outrage here on behalf of the vulnerable. The next obvious thing for you to do would be to endorse impeachment and removal of this president, who, as you know, is motivated by interests that are neither coherent, nor moral.
 
 
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Can't help but recall Solomon's Prayer at Trump's inauguration: For I am your servant…a man who is weak & short-lived with little understanding of judgment & laws; for even one who is perfect among human beings will be regarded as nothing without the wisdom that comes from you. twitter.com/realDonaldTrum…
 
 
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Mr. Graham, thank you for this statement. Also, reflect on your culpability. You along with Robert Jeffress and Jerry Falwell Jr. enabled this bloodshed. You have long been foolishly praising this reckless, immoral president and in doing so have deceived your trusting followers.

 

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Josh Jordan
 
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Recent polls that asked if Trump should be impeached *and* removed from office, with change in net points since pre-inquiry announcement polls: Fox News: 51-40 (+14) Qunnipiac: 45-49 (+16) Morning Consult: 50-43 (+20) CNN: 47-45 (+15) WaPo: 49-38 (+33) That's a lot of movement.
 
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Joyce Alene
 
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John Dowd, Trump’s former lawyer, represents the 2 before the House Intel Comm & in addition to the usual complaints about the impeachment investigations offers some detail about their relationship with Giuliani & others in a letter he sent the Committee.
 
 

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Russell Moore
 
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What is happening right now to the Kurds is an atrocity and a disgrace. Our allies (and innocent men, women, and children) are abandoned to the cruelty of the evil axis of Erdogan, Putin, and Assad, while empowering the Islamic State. This is immoral and unjust and murderous.
 
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Michael Gerson
 
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This was an applause line from Trump’s Minnesota speech: “I have reduced refugee resettlement by 85 percent.” This is how the president treats men, woman and children fleeing from oppression and violence.
At Minneapolis Rally, an Angry Trump Reserves Sharpest Attack for Biden
At a fiery campaign rally Thursday night in Minnesota, President Trump said former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. did nothing but “kiss Barack Obama’s ass.”
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Christianity Today
 
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Three Christians have been killed in Turkey’s assault on Kurdish-held areas in northeast Syria
Christians Killed on Syria’s Front Lines
While Trump defends US withdrawal, advocates fear “Turkey will complete the work that ISIS tried to do, in eradicating Christians from this region.”
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Trump's speech is that of a demagogue. It is propaganda, brainwashing. It is lies delivered with enormous relish and amusement.

What is the antidote? At least 1 of these:
– education in history,
– moral sensitivity,
– consuming reputable news sources.
#MinneapolisTrumpRally

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3.Trump gives lip service to "unity" or the "common good," but his tweets, speeches (tonight in for example), and encounters with the press do not match his weak calls for civility.

John Fea@JohnFea1
 

4. Trump has built an entire approach to politics on discord, appealing to our darkest angels to score political points, and on making appeals to the minority of the population willing to cheer his depravity.

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Ruth Graham

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Wow: 28% of white evangelicals now say Trump should be impeached and removed from office. https://twitter.com/nickgourevitch/status/1182080475113906176 …

Nick Gourevitch@nickgourevitch
 

12% of Trump voters say he should be impeached and removed from office via new FOX News poll. Seems like a kind of a big problem for a guy that won by around ~80,000 votes.

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Quotes from rally in Minneapolis in this thread

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Daniel Dale

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Trump: "The best is yet to come."

Daniel Dale

✔@ddale8

 

Trump has finished his speech after about one hour and 40 minutes. That was his longest campaign rally.

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Jack Holmes

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Day after day, as they stuck with him, Trump's supporters were forced to give up more and more of themselves to stay on-board. At some point, the sunk cost became insurmountable. There is no going back now. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a29438336/trump-rally-minneapolis-ilhan-omar/ …

Trump's Minneapolis Rally Was a Demonstration of the Moral Suicide Pact He's Made With His Suppor…

They have given too much of themselves to The Leader to go back now. They will support him, no matter what he does, until he is stopped.

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Meet the Press

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WATCH: The president held a campaign rally last night and attacked Hunter Biden. We cannot in good conscience show it to you @chucktodd: "Politics ain’t beanbag, but it isn’t supposed to be this either. We all need to play a role in not rewarding this kind of politics"

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Transcript “I got a call the other night from pastors, the biggest pastors, evangelical Christians. They said, 'we have never seen our religion or any religion so electrified.' They say they’ve never seen anything like it. Churches are joining … hundreds of thousands of people."

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"And that's largely because of you [the media] and your partners, the Democrats.”

 

 
 

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Madison: "In the case of the Executive Magistracy which was to be administered by a single man, loss of capacity or corruption was more within the compass of probable events, and either of them might be fatal to the Republic."

John Dickerson

✔@jdickerson

 

"the best way therefore to provide in the Constitution for the regular punishment of the Executive where his misconduct should deserve it, and for his honorable acquittal when [FN10] he should be unjustly accused." https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_720.asp … https://twitter.com/KWardCummings/status/1182656696293957632 …

K. Ward Cummings@KWardCummings
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Saw ctm. You referenced Franklins contribution to impeachment debate. Where is that from?

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"Mr. MADISON thought it indispensable that some provision should be made for defending the Community agst. the incapacity, negligence or perfidy of the chief Magistrate. The limitation of the period of his service, was not a sufficient security."

Madison: "He might lose his capacity after his appointment. He might pervert his administration into a scheme of peculation or oppression. He might betray his trust to foreign powers."

 

 

A key pillar of Trump's rhetoric is his insistence that "the media" are very bad people and therefore you can't believe them. I think following journalists on Twitter dispels that idea. So, look up and follow those who write valuable articles. Mute those who lose your trust.
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Our latest letter to the New York Times (they finally published us after two years of trying!): nytimes.com/2019/10/11/opi
 
 
 
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Watching politics leads to moments of discouragement and the search for hope

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Virginia Heffernan, PhD in English from Harvard, and TrumpCast podcast host, sincerely wonders in this thread whether those who seem to plot and scheme shamelessly, have any fear that a God might judge them someday.

Virginia Heffernan

✔@page88

 

Barr has said he doesn’t care about being on the right side of history. Giuliani says his tombstone will say he lied for Trump but who cares bc he’ll be dead. Does their Catholicism not have heaven/hell anymore? Do they as arrogant jerks not even care abt their legacies & obits?

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Today Trump biographer David Kay Johnston also is disturbed by the brazenness of those who call themselves Christians.

David Cay Johnston

✔@DavidCayJ

 

Fake Christian gets disgusting support from conman.

Where are the actual Christian pastors? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1178477539653771264 …

Donald J. Trump

✔@realDonaldTrump

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….If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal.” Pastor Robert Jeffress, @FoxNews

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Lawyer Seth Abramson, who has given his life over to attempting to collate and uncover Trump's scheming with foreign leaders also finds himself wondering about whether there is a God who will bring judgement where it is deserved.

Seth Abramson

✔@SethAbramson

 

Days like this I find myself wishing as a Jew that I believed in hell https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1177343859174596608 …

The Hill

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Lindsey Graham on Mueller report findings: I don't care about the obstruction of justice stuff http://hill.cm/uZa3hcP 

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Seth Abramson

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Days like this I find myself wishing as a Jew that I believed in hell https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1177343859174596608 …

The Hill

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Lindsey Graham on Mueller report findings: I don't care about the obstruction of justice stuff http://hill.cm/uZa3hcP 

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Ezra Klein in this conversation with David Brooks in May also wishes for belief in God, that it might provide stability and clarity.

Ezra Klein

✔@ezraklein

 

I think @NYTDavidBrooks is working towards a critique of capitalism here, even if it’s not coming out that way yet. The problems in values he identifies seem, to me, to be the inevitable effect of capitalism being the way we value people and work. https://open.spotify.com/episode/5nBcLHxbBGUf0JGWSq4w1C …

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Michael Lewis in his conversation with Ezra Klein in June worries that it may take a catastrophe or a pandemic for many to reject corruption in government.

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The common thread is close observers of Trump being shocked by the willful denial of the truth and the haughty dismissal of moral obligation. Then these observers, marvelling at the depths of human self-delusion, wonder what it would take before some would repent of their ways. But I take comfort that maybe …

His truth is marching on.

John Dickerson

✔@jdickerson

 

I don’t recommend it, but skip to min. 5. It’s beautiful and stirs the soul. https://www.instagram.com/tv/B22flHgltzX/?igshid=j1y4zm9q56zk …

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More angst

D K Trowbridge@kyletrow
 

My political theology

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And others too trying to bring hope:

Jesus Christ@JesusOfNaz316
 

Peace be with you.

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More wondering about whether there is any justice out there in the universe:

Kelly Magsamen@kellymagsamen
 

Waking up to this news in Hungary. The universe is mean. https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1178815911349964801 …

Josh Lederman

✔@JoshNBCNews

 

Just in: Sebastian Gorka is traveling with @SecPompeo to Europe, @Abs_NBC reports. He was seen getting into a State Department van headed to Joint Base Andrews for departure

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Again, I would say a lot of these comments by observers of Trump are profound, groaning prayers for justice and that the truth would come out and that God would spare the United States and the world from greater disaster and catastrophe. More asking of big questions about humanity from the author of Traitor: The Case Against Donald J. Trump.

Again, I think this is the right reaction.

David Rothkopf

✔@djrothkopf

 

I'm lying in bed unable to sleep, my mind boggled by today's developments…and those of the past three years. I am not sure whether it is the scope of the criminality and abuse and corruption and lies or whether it is the number of GOP leaders who support and defend them.

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More sincere incredulity prayerfully directed:

Melissa Moore@MelissaMoore77
 

I don’t usually like to quote-tweet but dear God these days are something else. I’m sitting here trying to take in these southern baptist pastors doubling down in their support of Donald Trump & I am dizzy w/ anger. https://twitter.com/jackngraham/status/1178645825683148800 …

Jack Graham

✔@jackngraham

 

When it’s all said and done in this current political attack from the leftists socialists,,,,,,God rules over the affairs of man and government. Who is on the Lord’s side?

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More wrestling with evil:

D.L. Mayfield@d_l_mayfield
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Evil. Nothing else to say here. https://twitter.com/juliehdavis/status/1179157882937528323 …

Julie Davis

✔@juliehdavis

 

He talked about a snake-filled trench & other painful countermeasures for his border wall. He asked if migrants could be shot in the legs. He purged aides who resisted. A look at Trump's border obsession, adapted from my book with @shearm, out next week. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/politics/trump-border-wars.html …

D.L. Mayfield@d_l_mayfield
 

How are we not depressed all the time? I would say I am 50% of the day at least, oftentimes berating myself for it. But you know what? Our world is running on evil, I am allowed to be depressed about that.

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