I put the following information together two years ago when we moved to Durham, NC to start the Th.D. program at Duke Divinity School at Duke University. (If you are interested in the Th.D. program, see my post Advice about Duke Th.D. and Ph.D programs in theology). I have gotten questions from some friends about house-hunting here recently and so I thought I would post this information. My advice is geared primarily to people who are moving here to go to school at Duke Divinity School and my advice is also oriented toward families. This advice is more or less a compilation of advice people gave us. It is just to get you started in your research so that you will be able to ask better questions. Please post comments and other resources in the comments.
Neighborhood information:
- People talk about "north Durham" and "south Durham" (though these are not technical neighborhood designations) with Duke University being the dividing line. If you are north of Duke's campus, you are in north Durham and if you are south of it, you are in south Durham. Duke University consists of a huge swath of land. It includes East Campus (where the freshmen are) and West Campus (where the Divinity school is located) which are connected by a shuttle bus route.
- Ideally, I think it would be fun to live in the area near 9th Street. 9th street is kind of retro, hip and artsy. From there you can walk to East campus and take the bus to West campus where the Divinity school is. However, this is an old area so either the houses are beautifully restored and 300K or they are badly run-down and sell for 50K. But, you can find some in the middle if you're lucky. But some of the reasonably price homes have been "flipped" – bought for 60K and sold 6 months later for 160K. Cosmetic work has been done but major underlying issues may have been covered up so beware. The "neighborhoods" that are near 9th Street are Old West Durham, Watts Hillandale, Trinity Park, and Walltown.
- Some people also suggest Northgate Park which is north of Walltown.
- There is also an area of town near Burch Ave (27701) that was traditionally not a great neighborhood but is being improved. It is very close to Duke Div School (1.2 miles).
- The homes in south Durham are appreciating more because of access to the gorgeous The Streets at Southpoint mall, access to Chapel Hill (where University of North Carolina (UNC) is located) and Research Triangle Park (RTP).
- We ended up in north Durham because it was more affordable. We are on Candlewick Way, Durham, NC. Move near us! It is very close to the great children's museum The Museum of Life and Science. We have a great large Starbucks at the corner of Guess Road and Horton Road (3801 Guess Road) where Amy and I study.
Location of Duke Divinity School:
I had trouble finding a physical address for Duke Divinity School
since all of the literature simply has a post office box. I have begun
using this address for directions to Duke Divinity School: Chapel Dr,
Durham, North Carolina 27706 Here is the Google link to that location. You might also use W Main St & Campus Dr Durham, NC 27701 for East Campus (where you can pick up the bus to go to West Campus). If you want to visit, Duke Divinity School, you need to park in the Bryan Center Parking Garage off Science Drive, Durham, NC.
Where professors live:
In April 2007, I looked up where 13 Duke Divinity school professors live I got their addresses from http://www.zabasearch.com/advanced.php and what their house Tax Assessor's Value from www.zillow.com. Basically this helped me to learn that
a) professors live all over the place.
b) all the professors live between 7-20 minutes from Duke Divinity
School (according to Google Maps directions). One lives in Chapel Hill
and lives closer than some others who live in Durham.
c) In April 2007, the 13 houses ranged between $155,000 and $500,000. (The high and low two in 2009 are now $192,000 and $548,000.)
Here are some comments from some other Duke people about neighborhoods:
- A Duke Business School person writes: "Durham is reasonable, price-wise. Many grad students I know live just north of campus, in and around the Northgate area. Our neighborhood, just south of campus, is a bit pricier, but we were moving from the very pricey western suburbs of Chicago. Do look at lots of options when you visit."
- A Duke professor writes: "We live in the Watts Hillandale neighborhood, and have loved it. Beautiful older houses, many quite affordable; it's about two miles to the Div School, and I often walk. One could easily ride a bike, or take a Duke bus. It is also pretty near both a public Montessori grammar school, and the one good public magnet grammar school (schools in Durham, as you may know, are not terrific). There are a fair number of young families in this neighborhood. Also, we are in walking distance of Whole Foods. ;-)"
- An environmental studies Ph.D. student writes: "It is important to decide what kind of neighborhood you want. Some neighborhoods have mostly young profesionals living there, are all new builds, are close to malls and things like that. Other neighborhoods are like ours are older homes, very diverse demographically, can have some minor crime, etc. We live just off downtown in old north durham. Duke park, old west durham, watts/hillandale — these are similar places."
- Duke Div Student. "When I moved to Durham, I was looking for rentals and so I used the Duke Community Housing webpage quite a bit. The folks at that office may also be helpful in directing you to information about buying houses, but I don't know for sure. The advice I gave to another student was to get a map of Durham, and look for houses within 8-10 blocks of Ninth Street in the north, east and west directions, or around the North Carolina School of Science and Math."
- Duke Div Student: "My husband and I live in a very nice neighborhood not too much farther north from Walltown called Northgate park. Houses in our neighborhood are selling between 105-145K. They might be smaller than you are looking for (I don't know about your kid situation) but they are old and generally well kept. The neighborhood itself is fairly diverse (the diversity tending to happen as you get closer to Club Blvd. and Roxboro Rd.) both racially and economically. There is bike path access almost the entire way to East Campus and a community park that is wonderful if you do have kids. It, too, is beginning to gentrify a bit but I'm not sure if prices are inflated too much."
- Duke Div Student: "We live on Lancaster. We relocated about 9 months ago, also interested in diversity. We love the neighborhood. Granted, we are just on the edge, by Green street, so we're barely into Walltown."
- Duke Div Student connected to Rutba House (New Monasticism – intentional community and justice house): "We care a lot about the people whose families have been here for four and five generations (many of whom are members of our church) and try to discourage people (esp. middle class white people) who aren't planning to stay more than 10yrs from moving into the neighborhood."
- Student about north Durham "West Point on the Eno park, which is a <5 min drive from you and is a very beautiful place. You're not that far from West Point on the Eno, which is a great place to hike, find turtles and bugs in the river, etc."
School Information:
There are charter and magnet public schools and Christian and private schools. This is a whole huge topic that you will need to talk to lots of people about to understand. A couple Christian schools are Trinity School and Bethesda Christian Academy and two other private schools are Durham Academy and Duke School.
You can learn more about the public schools at:
- North Carolina School Report Cards
- http://www.schoolmatters.com/
- The real estate listings tell you where your kids would go to school if you bought that house.
For the public schools, you need to start researching them at the beginning of November for the following September. The lottery for magnet schools (Durham Public School funded) is in January. The lottery for charter schools (primarily funded by the state) vary.
To give you a beginning point, here are the top 8 public elementary schools in Durham according to their overall Reading and Math scores for 2008-2009 from their NC School Report Card. (I did the math). Of course, there is more to a school than test scores.
Reading Math (Percentage of Students’ Scores At or Above Grade Level)
1. Pearsontown 79.7 90.4
4915 Barbee Road |
Durham, 27713 1603 |
Regular School, Year-Round Calendar |
K-5 |
2. Little River 77.8 87.3
2315 Snow Hill Road |
Durham, |
Regular School, Traditional Calendar |
K-5 |
3. Central Park (Charter) 78.9 81.0
724 Foster Street |
Durham, 27701 |
Regular School, Year-Round Calendar |
K-5 |
4. Easley 75.6 83.0
302 Lebanon Circle |
Durham, 27712 2644 |
Regular School, Year-Round Calendar |
K-5 |
5. Creekside 69.5 79.6
5321 Ephesus Church Road |
Durham, |
Regular School, Traditional Calendar |
K-5 |
6. Hillandale 70.1 78.7
2730 Hillandale Road |
Durham, |
Regular School, Traditional Calendar |
K-5 |
7. Morehead (Magnet) 76.9 71.8
909 Cobb Street |
Durham, 27707 1315 |
Magnet School, Traditional Calendar |
PK-5 |
8. Carter (Charter) 64.1 82.9
1305 West Club Blvd |
Durham, 27705 |
Regular School, Year-Round Calendar |
K-8 |
You can only go to most of these schools if you live in their district. You always have a year-round and a traditional calendar option that you are districted for.
As a magnet, your best chance to get into Morehead is by choosing it as your number one choice in the magnet lottery in January when your child is 3 years old and will be starting pre-K the following September. It also improves your chances if you live near the school in its priority area. You have a small chance of getting in through the lottery in subsequent years.
As far as the magnet schools, you can try to win the lottery to get into the Central Park by applying to it in February when your child is 4 and will be entering Kindergarten the following September. Check Carter's website for information on enrollment there.
I have prepared the following graphic about elementary schools based on the chart above. I have added Mangum in north Durham County to the list. Our son is going to Hillandale.
Transportation:
You basically need two cars here unless you live close to Duke and
it is pretty expensive to live close to Duke. Some families do a
scooter/motorcycle (and then park in the bike racks right by the
Divinity school) and a car. Some friends do it with one car but they
have to do lots dropping off and picking up which I would not
recommend. You have to buy a parking pass to park at Duke and then
take a shuttle in to Duke Divinity School or do a 10 minute walk.
Churches:
We attend Blacknall Presbyterian Church (PCUSA) where Amy is Director of Children's Ministry. (I have described it here). Some friends attend Chapel Hill Bible Church, Emmaus Way (emerging / missional church), NewHope Church (seeker-sensitive), All Saints Church (AMIA), Church of the Holy Family (Episcopal), The Summit Church (SBC), Duke Chapel (on Duke's west campus), Mt. Level Missionary Baptist Church (predominantly African-American), and Church of the Good Shepherd (PCA). Duke Divinity School students attend a huge range of churches. See more about recommendations regarding UMC churches below in the comments.
Pools:
We go to the downtown YMCA that has a great zero-depth indoor pool for kids and has childcare and reduced rates.
Duke University also has an outdoor pool on Central Campus that is free for Duke students and families. Hours: Mon-Sat 10 am – 9pm; Sun 1-9 pm
We have brought guests to this great outdoor zero-depth pool in Chapel Hill: The YMCA at Meadowmont
Parks and Museums:
See list of Durham parks.
Places we meet friends with kids:
Kidzu Children's Museum in Chapel Hill
Museum of Natural Sciences in Raleigh, NC
Sports for Kids:
- YMCA: Swim
lessons, basketball, soccer, flag football and many more activities. People
have told me soccer and basketball are great. There is always open family
swimming. There is childcare so the adults can work out. Often the gym is open
and you can bring some balls and play there too. - Hillandale
Soccer League: soccer in north Durham - Triangle
United at Woodcroft: soccer - The
Little Gym: classes, tumbling, gymnastics and more. - Hillandale Baseball: baseball.
- North Durham Little
League: baseball - South Durham Little League: baseball
- Durham Parks and
Recreation Department: all kinds of activities and classes from swim lessons
to learning about animals to art classes. - Lacrosse
- Fencing
- Durham Bulls
Baseball Camp (ages 7-14)
Realtors:
- We used Tony Craver. He was professional and knowledgeable. He has all the credentials and was a builder for many years. His approach is to send you a list of 50 houses to check out online that fit your criteria and you pick 10 or so. He gives you a tour of Durham the first day. The next day you zoom through the 10 houses in about 10 minutes each. We ended up visiting 30 houses before putting an offer on one. We bid 5% off the list price and they accepted.
- One professor recommended: Ethel Snuggs for looking near 9th street.
Renting:
- See: http://www.communityhousing.duke.edu/
- We have friends from Duke Divinity School living in Colonial Village at Deerfield at 910 Constitution Drive, Durham, NC 27705 and other friends living in Pinnacle Ridge Apartments at 3611 University Dr Durham, NC 27707. Both complexes have pools.
- Friend from Law School: "Our apartment complex is called Station Nine, if you want to check it out. Lots of other law students live there." 2211 Hillsborough Rd Durham, NC 27705
Maps:
- We got a very good Durham "Street Map" from the hotel published by Durham Convention & Visitors Bureau. You could contact them and ask them to send it to you.
- We got another very good Durham "Street Map" from our realtor published by Durham Regional Association of REALTORS.
House search website:
Hotel:
We did Priceline.com "Name Your Own Price" in Durham, NC. We put in 2 stars and $35 and had our offer accepted at a hotel. It worked well. When you put in the offer, you have to accept what they give you.
Comparing Cost of Living and other factors to the city you're moving from:
http://www.moving.com/find_a_place/compare2cities/
http://www.bestplaces.net/col/
http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costofliving/costofliving.html
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/movecalc.asp?
"Buying Vs. Renting" calculator
http://www.ginniemae.gov/rent_vs_buy/rent_vs_buy_calc.asp?Section=YPTH
Restaurants:
- American Tobacco Historic District. Mellow Mushroom Pizza place is one example. Right next to Durham Bulls (minor league baseball park). Fun place to walk around.
- Brightleaf Square. El Rodeo (Mexican place), Satisfaction (Pizza) and Amelia's (for desert) are popular.
- Elmo's Diner on 9th street is a good family restaurant.
- Everywhere you turn there are great restaurants. See the April 2010 New York Times article: Durham, a Tobacco Town, Turns to Local Food.
14 replies on “Advice about moving to Durham, North Carolina”
Thanks Andy. My wife will be applying to Duke university for PhD in History, not theology. The information is valuable!
Andy, I’ve been stalking your blog for awhile now, so I thought I might as well comment for a change haha.
Thank you so much for all this information, I’ve been looking for something like this for awhile. I will be applying to Duke Divinity in a year or two and will being bookmarking this post!
Do you know of any evangelical minded UMC Churches in the area?
Yes, there are but I don’t know what to recommend but I can tell you what I know. 1. You are welcome to ask students and faculty about their recommendations.
2. Students often serve in “field education” and thus are spread among many churches.
3. Some of the United Methodist faculty attend Duke Chapel (on west campus) http://www.chapel.duke.edu/home/ and some attend other UM churches.
4. We were looking at churches in the Fall of 2007 right after a number of churches had newly appointed pastors.
5. There are 33 UMC congregations in the Durham District of the UMC. http://www.durhamdistrictumc.org/
6. The Durham District is one of 12 districts in the North Carolina Conference of the United Methodist Church. http://nccumc.org/
7. From the Find-A-Church features on the UMC national website http://archives.umc.org/Directory/ChurchDirectory.asp?mid=222
you can find all of the churches in Durham.
http://archives.umc.org/Directory/ChurchListing.asp?address=Street+or+address&City=Durham&StateLong=NC&State=NC&zipcode=Zip+Code&distance=Any&MaxRecords=25&Sort=Preferredname&findbutton.x=62&findbutton.y=8&findbutton=Find+Church&TypeID=07&mid=222&ReturnAll=&Remember=Forget&fromSrch=byloc
From there, you can click on a church and then click “About Us” and find the “Average Worship Attendance” which is interesting.
For example,
Aldersgate United Methodist Church which seems to have the highest attendance in Durham, NC. Average Worship Attendance: 408. http://www.aldersgate.org/
Asbury United Methodist Church in Raleigh, NC, which has a large contemporary music service and a strong children’s ministry. Average Worship Attendance: 580. http://www.asburyraleigh.org/armc/home
University United Methodist Church in Chapel Hill, NC–pastored by the thoughtful Duke MDiv and Yale grad Carl King.
Average Worship Attendance: 533. http://www.chapelhilluumc.org/
Epworth United Methodist Church in Durham, NC. At least one Duke Divinity School professor attends there. Average Worship Attendance: 291. http://www.epworth-umc.org/
I know some students who attend Reconciliation United Methodist Church and I play basketball with the pastor. The “About Us” says Average Worship Attendance: 103. Note it also says:
“Languages Spoken in Worship: English, Spanish.” Students are excited about their intentional efforts toward reconciliation there. http://www.gbgm-umc.org/reconciliation/
Again as I said at the beginning of this post, this information is just to help you ask better questions of people who know more than I do.
Andy,
You have captured it so well! We are looking for a house and this is the same information that I have learned from others who have purchased in the area years ago. The great thing about this blog entry is that all of the pieces are in one place. You state it and organize the information so nicely! See you around soon ~ amanda
You should be working on your papers…
Andy, thanks for the information. My wife and I are renting a house on Berkeley St (near East Campus) to attend DDS in the fall, so hopefully we will cross paths. Keep up the good work,
Blake
Andy, thanks for the great information. Do you have any information regarding special needs programs for kids; mainly, for autism. Presently, living in Mississippi; however, we are praying about Durham. Thanks in advance.
Mari, I just don’t know much about this but do know Reality Ministries http://realityministriesinc.org/
which is a fantastic outreach to teens with special needs–many people from our church (Blacknall Presbyterian) are involved there.
Hi-
I live in Menlo Park, CA. We attend MPPresby. Church….John Ortberg is the pastor and it is not a conventional Presbyterian church.
After the school year, we will be moving either to the ATL, GA. area or Raleigh/Chapel Hill/Durham area. Any suggestions you may have for similiarly-minded churches would we grately appreciated.
Blessings-
Beth
You are a freakishly thorough man. Thanks.
Answering a couple questions here:
Where should we as a couple rent?
Here are some approximate blocks to rent considering where some of my friends who are couples without kids live.
1100 Kent St.
900 N. Buchanan Blvd.
10 Tarawa Ter.
1000 Onslow St.
1100 Green Street
Single students:
400 N Gregson St.
3611 University Dr.
800 N. Buchanan Blvd
Anyway, that should give you a basic idea of the variety of places people live.
Another question here:
Are there any coffee shops, bookstores, restaurants, museums, parks, or other local attractions we should visit to get a feel for life in Durham?
I thought of them in this order:
Foster’s Market
2694 Durham-Chapel Hill Boulevard
Durham, NC 27707
(919) 489-3944
http://www.fostersmarket.com/
Breakfast, study.
Guglhupf Bakery, Restaurant & Cafe
2706 Durham-Chapel Hill Blvd
Durham, NC 27707
(919) 401-2600
guglhupf.com
Right next door to Foster’s. Nicer desserts.
Parker and Otis
112 South Duke Street
Durham, NC 27701
(919) 683-3200
parkerandotis.com
Nice little salad, sandwich, and coffee place.
Mad Hatter Bake Shop & Cafe
1802 West Main Street
Durham, NC 27705
(919) 286-1987
madhatterbakeshop.com
Right across from east campus where lots of students study and meet and drink coffee and have dessert.
It is right near Whole Foods which some people think is cool/fun.
Cosmic Cantina
1920 Perry Street
Durham, NC 27705
(919) 286-1875
Hole in the wall–cheap burritos–you can eat inside. It is up a narrow staircase off the street. We like going there after walking around east campus or for eating out cheap instead of Subway. Go, if Elmo’s line is too long.
Elmo’s Diner
776 9th Street
Durham, NC 27705
(919) 416-3823
elmosdiner.com
Good diner for breakfast, lunch or dinner–a favorite of faculty and students. Expect 20 min wait. On quirky 9th street with lots of odd/fun shops.
Nosh
2812 Erwin Road # 101
Durham, NC 27705
(919) 383-4747
noshfood.com
Nice little restaurant for lunch–a much better than Panera-type place.
Mellow Mushroom
410 Blackwell Street
Durham, NC 27701
(919) 680-8500
mellowmushroom.com
Pizza and walk around the American Tobacco campus along the fountains. This is also just a block from where the Durham Bulls minor league baseball play and also near DPAC which is where you can catch great shows.
Durham Performing Arts Center
123 Vivian St
Durham, NC 27701
(919) 688-3722
dpacnc.com
13 reviews
“DPAC”
Sarah P. Duke Gardens
420 Anderson Street
Durham, NC 27708
(919) 684-3698
duke.edu
You might also walk around Sarah Duke Gardens at Duke’s campus. Feed the ducks from the store. See the roses. Breathe some fresh air. 1 mile or so walk around the circle.
Durham Farmers’ Market
501 Foster Street
Durham, NC 27701
(919) 667-3099
durhamfarmersmarket.com
Saturday morning the little Farmer’s Market. It is also near a skate park and the downtown YMCA where we’re members for working out and swimming.
The Streets at Southpoint
6910 Fayetteville Road
Durham, North Carolina 27713
(919) 572-8800
streetsatsouthpoint.com
The nice mall.
Northgate Mall
Durham, North Carolina
(919) 286-4400
northgatemall.com
The more rundown mall but still functional.
We hike with the kids at Eno River State Park. There are two major entrances to it which are miles apart. We hike with the kids at both.
Eno River State Park
6101 Cole Mill Rd
Durham, NC 27705-9275
(919) 383-1686
ncparks.gov
West Point On the Eno City Park
5101 North Roxboro Street
Durham, NC 27704
(919) 471-1623
enoriver.org
People also do the American Tobacco Trail but I have never done that.
American Tobacco Trail
7616 Fayetteville Street
Durham, NC 27713
triangletrails.org
There is also a trail by Washington Duke Inn.
http://www.mapmyrun.com/s/routes/view/run-jog-map/north-carolina/durham/4585447
For a pretty fancy restaurant:
Watts Grocery
1116 Broad Street
Durham, NC 27705
(919) 416-5040
wattsgrocery.com
See also these restaurants rated by Urban Spoon–I mentioned a bunch of them to you above: http://www.urbanspoon.com/g/25/1900/Research-Triangle/Chapel-Hill-Durham-restaurants
Two doors down people also study at:
Joe Van Gogh
1104B Broad Street
Durham, NC 27705
(919) 286-4800
joevangogh.com
I study at:
Starbucks
3801 Guess Road
Durham, NC 27705
(919) 471-2957
starbucks.com
because it is close to my house.
I guess I would say living near any of these “landmarks” would be fun.
For touring Duke, you can start at East Campus and park near Whole Foods–not in the parking lot but on the side streets there and see people walking around the “East Campus Loop.”
You can get on the East campus bus to West campus. (It is just a shuttle bus–free). Get off there in front of the chapel where it lets out. See Duke Divinity school and the chapel then maybe eat at the “cafeteria” on West Campus called the “Great Hall.” Lots of good food a la carte. Or eat at Refectory at the Div school which is superb and more expensive food–no credit card there. Walk through the Bryan Center (the student union) and see the Duke Store there. Walk over to Cameron Indoor Arena and the football field and the student workout center. Head back and see Perkins/Bostock libraries and the coffee shop “The Perk” there by the entrance to Perkins.
Then take bus back to east campus from the same spot in front of the chapel.
Or park at the Bryan Center parking garage on west campus and just do that part of the tour and drive around east campus.
I really enjoyed this. Ive been living in Durham for 7 years and 5 years prior in Chapel Hill, but I still learned a lot, especially about schools now that we have a kid. Thanks a lot!
Hi Andy,
My husband and I are looking to a possible move to Durham in the summer of 2015.
We currently teach English in Beijing and will be relocating back to the states.
Where would we want to live to be near where the international students live since
we will be working with them?
Thanks.
Erin Niedergall